mercredi 3 décembre 2008

Geert Wilders, l'Europe & l'islam - entrevue par Robert Spencer

Geert Wilders, héros de la résistance européenne à l'islamisation


Au nom de la liberté d'expression, le site d'hébergement du film de Geert Wilders a censuré son film. On remarquera que les flots de haine musulmane sont disponibles sur google et autres hébergeurs de vidéo...



(tuyau Christophe B.)



Vidéo 1ère partie :

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022975.php

texte 1ère partie :

Unofficial transcript of Part I

Robert Spencer: Robert Spencer here for Jihad Watch. I very happy to be here this morning with Geert Wilders, the Dutch Parliamentarian and producer of the celebrated film FITNA which depicts various verses of the Qur'an and Muslims acting violently upon it. FITNA of course has become the center of an international effort led by the Organization of the Islamic Conference to outlaw criticism of Islam. And so, the first thing that I would like to ask you is, what were your intentions in creating this film? Did you want to insult Muslims and hurt their feelings?

Geert Wilders: No, Robert. My aim was certainly not to provoke Muslims or to get international stir up problems whatsoever. I remember very well last year first I started by writing an article in one of the major Dutch newspapers about the threat of the Islamization of our culture and what I thought that the Qur'an represented. Then, afterwards, we had, I initiated a debate for the Dutch prime minister about the same issue. And I thought, well, not everybody is looking at the CSPAN of the Netherlands at all the Parliamentary debates, not everybody is reading the newspapers, so how do I get my message more clear about what I see that the threat contains and what the Qur'an really stands for. It was not made as a provocation or whatever. It was made by a politician who of course is not a film maker, but still found the obligation to educate the people in the Netherlands and maybe even abroad about what the Qur'an really stands for. In order to achieve that I made a choice not use any actors because then anybody could say well look this guy is playing with the facts. So I used with the help of some people who know even more about the Qur'an than I do. I chose certain verses from certain suras and I used real images to combine with those verses.


Robert Spencer: Excellent, yes. I noted myself that the film merely shows Qur'an verses and then Muslims in some cases actually quoting the same verses in order to incite people to violence. And I felt that it was extremely ironic, in light of that, that anyone would think that the film itself was hateful or violent except in so far as it depicts Muslims being hateful and violent on the basis of these Qur'an verses. And I wondered if you thought that was any . . .what has your reaction been to the reaction to the film in . . . when people say that it is hateful and violent and trying to incite people against Muslims.

Geert Wilders: Well, I fully subscribe to what you said, Robert. I mean, if there would be any hatefulness or blasphemy whatsoever as part of my short film FITNA, it's the responsibility of the people acting in it. The people acting in it are in fact Muslims doing the most terrible things. So, it was very strange to see that a lot of countries from Saudi Arabia to Iran, from Jordan to Lebanon, they all complained in the most terrible way and said well this is blasphemic and is insulting our Islam. Al Qaeda sent the most terrible threats to me personally but also to the Dutch troops in Afghanistan. Whereas, more or less, they made FITNA. They are FITNA. They made it. I mean they are my actors. So if anybody is to blame for this, it's them. It's not me.

Robert Spencer: Absolutely. What do you think are the chances however, on the basis of this claim that Muslims are being insulted by this film that the European Union will act to restrict the possiblity of such films being made in the future?

Geert Wilders: Well, I think this is a real example of the dhimmitude of the West of the European Union . Not only the European Union, the United Nations. And if possible, thats only worse, its even worse. I think if we would abolish the United Nations or put the general assembly in Mecca somewhere it would not really change so much as it is today. It's very sad that when it comes to being . . .we are not talking about Geert Wilders or FITNA. We are talking about freedom of speech for everybody. I mean, this is at stake here. I'm totally unimportant when it comes to the whole picture of freedom of speech. This is the first, not even the first, this is the second or the third step that politicians who are not that brave to stand up and say come on to whatever criticism you can have. It's somebody. We're a democracies. If somebody is acting within the boundaries of our laws, within the rule of law, nobody, no country, no Arab country, no United Nations, no European Union can stop exercising their freedom of speech. They are doing that now. It's pure dhimmitude. I remember very well when the Dutch government, the Dutch foreign minister went to the middle east , he went to Damascus. He saw a cleric, the minister of foreign affairs of Syria. He said, well, Sirs, there will be in the coming few months, there will be a movie FITNA and it's totally, we are totally objecting the content of the movie. Whereas, he didn't even see one second. He didn't know anything about the content of FITNA. This is even worse than dhimmitude. This is going on their knees and giving in/giving up. This is appeasement policy. This is like a lot of Chamberlains in the beginning of the twenty first century.



Robert Spencer: If the European Union does pass freedom of speech restrictions, what do you think will be the reaction in Europe? Will there be a popular protest against this or have things progressed to the point where if such a measure does become law that there would be general acquiescence ?

Geert Wilders: Well, I think that it's very hard. I think that if the public really knows what is happening they will not like it. There will be a popular reaction. However, as so often when it comes to UN resolutions or European guidelines, people don't know. They find out when it's too late. And this process of course has not started today. You see in every aspect of our life. In the way we give in to Islamization of our societies whether its in halal food or whether it is in not talking about educating our children in some schools about the Holocaust because we could offend Muslims. When it is as last week, people are almost stabbed to death in the streets of Brussells because they were drinking water during the Ramadan and Muslims are offended. I mean, this is one of the many steps that proves the Islamization and deterioration of what I call our dominant Christian Judeo culture that should be. That should be there. That we should be proud of and fighting for. And so that could be the reaction to answer your questions. However, if you look at the political context in Europe today, and it's not only the political leaders also ninety percent of the mass media which is very leftish and very liberal. If you today, in Europe, this is how far unfortunately we are gone already. If you, today, criticise it, and you say well, this is because of people from Muslim countries complain or you are giving in or playing a dhimmi, then you are most often labled as a racist or a xenophobe even when you are not. So, its not only like here in the United States that Muslim people are suing people now - it's a kind of self censorship. Because, in a way, if you say anything critical about what you are just talking about then you're immediately you are a racist. People don't want to be called and don't want to be seen as a racist. So this makes it very difficult for a real strong popular reaction to come out.


Vidéo 2ème partie :
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022985.php

texte 2ème partie :

unofficial transcript of above video (Part II):


Geert Wilders: You are immediately, a racist. And people don't want to be called and don't want to be seen as a racist. So, this makes it very difficult for a strong popular reaction to come out.



Robert Spencer: I think this is something that you and I have shared. That we both have been labled this, been called this many times. What is your response to people when they say to you that FITNA is racist, or Wilders is racist. . .how do you respond?

Geert Wilders: Well, I always respond by saying that I think that they are not only very very wrong but it's insulting. You can. . . you don't have to like what I'm standing for. You can vote for another party. You can say that well this is a crazy guy . . .whatever. People are free to think and do what they like. But, I am anything but a racist. I'm a democratic politician in all my feelings. I fight within the rule of law everyday again in Parliament for my proposals. If they are rejected, I accept it and I try again tomorrow. I have nothing against anybody on the basis of race, whatever color they have, whatever sexual preference they have. I don't even have anything against Muslims. Muslims are equal to anybody. I have nothing against them. However, I have a problem with the ideology. So you should make, and I always do that in my Parliament. You should make a distinction between the Islamic ideology - which is very bad indeed, you know that better than I do - and the people. The majority of the Muslims in Europe are not criminals or are not terrorists. However, even by saying that, we should stop the immigration because even though those people are not criminals, if we have more immigration to western Europe, our culture will change, and unfortunately, not for the better. Racism has nothing to do with that if Muslims are integrating and assimilating in my country. They are equal as anybody else.



Robert Spencer: Of course. Yes, you say, speaking about immigration, it might be useful to ask you if the Dutch government has any mechanism, whatsoever, to try to distinguish between Muslims who are bringing the Islamic supremacist ideology and hoping to impose Sharia ultimately upon the Netherlands, and Muslims who are interested in assimilating? Are they even making any attempt to distinguish between the two of them?

Geert Wilders: No. Really, not. The only attempt they do, but it's a really different cup of tea. . .they ask people to go to a course in order to not only to learn the language but to get acquainted with the values of the Netherlands. But then again, last year we spent hundreds of millions of Euros in order to achieve that. But the classes are empty. Two thirds are empty because they are not attending. Why are they not attending? A) because they are not interested. B) because there is no penalty if they don't come. We are not saying that well, you are , we spend a lot of taxpayers money for you to integrate in our society. You are welcome to do that. But if you don't come, please leave our country. We are not doing that. so there is no incentive at all to go. Then again, I think, and I will be in favor now after all the problems that we have and the demographical problems that we face, that there should be a full stop, at least for a couple of years when it comes to the immigration from Muslim countries. Because I believe that, and you know the word taqiyya. When I was still at primary school, but you know what taqiyya means. It means that even though, there is no mechanism. Muslims can, I'm not saying they all do, but they can lie and they can be politically correct. But I'm very sure that if their numbers grow, and they will, but not even become 51%, but even a majority, and you know there have been studies where countries being compared where the Muslim population was 15, 20, 25, 30%. Even if they are not a majority but as they become stronger, they change their tune and the Islamization will be very hard to be returned to what we have today.

Robert Spencer: Quite so. We're already seeing that. You mentioned a little while back, Islamization and the demands for accomodation. We are seeing those increasingly in the United States. They've actually stepped up markedly just over the last couple of years. I have been reporting on them . For example, people saying in the Swift meat packing plants in Nebraska and Colorado that they, the Muslims saying they will not take their breaks at the ordinary time. They demand that the break schedule be changed so that they can stop work and break the Ramadan fast. The meat packing plant was happy to accomodate them but then the non-muslims protested and said that this meant they had to work longer hours. They were being put at a disadvantage vis a vie the employees. Now, my question is, the reaction to my reporting on some of these stories has been people saying that this is just hysteria. That it's hysteria if not something worse. It may be racism or bigotry. Here again, there are reasonable accomodations given to all sorts of groups. Orthodox Jews had won permission to wear the kippah in various circumstances, in various professional activities. Why should it be any different to grant a few cultural accomodations to Muslims. They say if somebody opposes this from Muslims, while favoring for Jews or other groups, then obviously there is something there that has to do with simple Islamophobia and nothing else.

Geert Wilders: Well, I believe it has nothing to do with Islamophobia. First, I believe it is very important to say that, we should, the biggest disease in Europe today , Robert, is a lethal disease, is called 'cultural relativism'. This is the first thing that we should fight and go to the doctor for and find a good prescription, by most political elite. People tend to say out of political correctness or post colonial guilt or whatever reason that the Islamic culture is the same as the Jewish or the Christian culture and tradition. But this is so wrong. This is not true. It's not even a real class of civilizations. I subscribe to what the brave woman, Wafa Sultan, said about this. She said its not even a clash of civlizations. It's a clash between rationality and barbarism. Backwardness. One difference as well is that Islamization. Islam comes to the West, not to assimilate, to integrate. This is a mistake that many people, also in my country make. And if you go out of the idea that people are here to assimilate, why should you not give them a holiday or let them work earlier or whatever. But this is not the truth. They are here to submit us. They are there to over rule us . They are there to change the whole country into their system. Islam knows nothing but Islam and it has no place for anything else but Islam. If we would accomodate it, and let me tell you, it will be not just one step. The day after we give them a public holiday, compulsory halal food in schools, the next day it will be something else. And the day after, it will be something else again. And this is very bad. I'm very disappointed in my own country, we have a cabinet member, she's from a Christain party, the Christian Union party, and she said publicly she could imagine that the end of the ramadan would be a national holiday in the Netherlands. Can you remember a Christian member of the Dutch cabinet. There was an enormous public outrage. I was happy that she said it even if it was stupid because it showed that the people are increasingly fed up by the accomodation and the appeasing of the Muslim minority and more important, the culture. It's to describe this. This is, at the end of the day, Islam will destroy everything that we stand for. And the more that we accomodate them, the less we will get in return. I'm sure of that.




Gros bobard habituel pour dédouaner l'islamo-fachisme : on aime taxer le christianisme de soutien au nazisme. Or, Hitler voulait aussi détruire le christianisme. Et ce sont des bataillons SS musulmans qu'il a eu pour le servir, pas des bataillons chrétiens.. Ca n'enlève en rien au fait qu'il y a bien eu des hauts prélats catholiques qui ont soutenu Hitler, que certains d'entre eux au Vatican ont aidé des nazis à s'expatrier à la fin de la guerre vers l'Amérique du Sud. Mais ces hauts dignitaires-là étaient-ils vraiment catholiques? Car l'habit ne fait pas le moine.. Tandis que la doctrine hitlérienne est limpide : comme celle de Lénine, le christianisme était la cible ultime..


Hitler and Christianity
http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/european/271-hitler-and-christianity

Long ago, during the darkest chapter of the 20th century, a movie was released entitled Hitler’s Children. While the film is virtually forgotten, I cannot forget a certain scene involving some words a Nazi official uttered to a dissident, a heroic Catholic bishop. Dripping with contempt, the officer said (I’m paraphrasing), “In a few years, the churches will be empty.” It was a thought he obviously relished. Ah, Hollywood and its fiction … or, is this a snapshot of history, a rare case in which Tinseltown’s art imitated life?

For many people, such a question seems rhetorical. They “know” Nazism was disgorged from the mouth of Christendom and that, it’s safe to say, every official in the Third Reich was baptized as a child. (Of course, the atheistic creed of communism was also born in Christendom, and baptized also were militant atheists Madalyn Murray O’Hair, Christopher Hitchens, and Richard Dawkins, and author of The Satanic Bible, Anton LaVey.) As for Hitler’s Children, released at the height of WWII, it could have been propaganda designed to convince a primarily Christian nation that it had a vested interest in victory.

As it turns out, and not surprisingly, moviemakers and others who braved the stormy days of our clash with fascism were far better acquainted with it than the revisionist historians who peddle the Christianity-birthed-Nazism narrative. What was it they knew? It was that the Nazis were not one of the fruits of Christianity, but of its rejection. The Third Reich sought to replace the ancient faith with a neo-pagan “religion of the blood” with Adolf Hitler as the godlike figure at its heart. For they realized Christianity would ever be an impediment to their aims and knew that, ultimately, it had to be destroyed.

Hitler’s Final Solution for Christianity

While this fact is well documented, the lie peddled in its stead has proved harder to sink than the Bismarck. But about six years ago came a godsend in the form of papers and the person of Jewish attorney Julie Seltzer Mandel, a woman whose grandmother was a survivor of the Auschwitz concentration camp. While a law student and editor of the Nuremberg Project for the Rutgers Journal of Law and Religion, Mandel gained access to 148 bound volumes of rare documents — some marked “Top Secret” — compiled by the Office of Strategic Services (or O.S.S., the WWII forerunner to the CIA).

After scouring the papers, she published the first installment of them in 2002, a 120-page O.S.S. report entitled “The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches.” Reporting on these O.S.S. findings in the Philadelphia Inquirer, Edward Colimore wrote: “The fragile, typewritten documents from the 1940s lay out the Nazi plan in grim detail: Take over the churches from within, using party sympathizers. Discredit, jail or kill Christian leaders. And re-indoctrinate the congregants. Give them a new faith — in Germany’s Third Reich.” He then quotes Mandel: “A lot of people will say, ‘I didn’t realize that they were trying to convert Christians to a Nazi philosophy.’... They wanted to eliminate the Jews altogether, but they were also looking to eliminate Christianity.”

Without a doubt, Hitler often made vile anti-Christian statements. For instance, according to Allan Bullock in his book Hitler: A Study in Tyranny, Hitler once hissed, “I’ll make these d**ned parsons feel the power of the state in a way they would have never believed possible.... This filthy reptile raises its head whenever there is a sign of weakness in the State, and therefore it must be stamped on. We have no sort of use for a fairy story invented by the Jews.” Bullock also reports that Hitler said, “The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity.... The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.” (Bullock derived both quotations from the book Hitler’s Table Talk.)

Seeming Contradiction

While this is convincing, a seeming contradiction must be explained, one that provides ammunition for Christianity’s critics. Although Hitler did make virulently anti-Christian statements, he sometimes made pro-Christian ones and appeared as a man of faith. For instance, in a 1934 speech in Koblenz, Hitler said, “I know that here and there the objection has been raised: Yes, but you have deserted Christianity. No, it is not that we have deserted Christianity; it is those who came before us who deserted Christianity.... National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary it stands on the ground of a real Christianity.” In an April 12, 1922 speech published in My New Order he said, “My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.” Then, portraying himself as a defender of the faith in a 1933 Berlin speech, he said, “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out.”

There are many other such pro- and anti-Christian Hitler quotations (and no small number of bogus ones, I might add), all existing within a maelstrom of fierce debate between Christians and atheists about Hitler’s worldview. So how do we reconcile these contradictory statements? The O.S.S. report provides the answer. Columnist Joe Sharkey wrote about the relevant passage in the New York Times:

According to Baldur von Schirach, the Nazi leader of the German youth corps that would later be known as the Hitler Youth, “the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement” from the beginning, though “considerations of expedience made it impossible” for the movement to adopt this radical stance officially until it had consolidated power.

Really, this is just common sense. Hitler was many things, but a clumsy politician was not one of them. He knew that until he had “consolidated power,” he would have to erect a façade for a Christian people and the Church; this is probably why virtually all his pro-Christian statements were rendered publicly and before he had closed his iron fist around the German neck. In contrast, his anti-Christian vitriol was spewed privately — and, it seems, with great passion — and often after he achieved absolute power, when he could bear his dark soul with impunity.

Moreover, when analyzing this, it’s easy to understand the political benefit derived from pandering to Christian masses, for if he inspired their opposition while seeking power, personal glory would have eluded him. But what political end was served by impugning their faith? What reason could he have had to utter such things unless … unless he meant them? And does this really surprise anyone? Politicians are like water, taking the shape of the vessel in which they find themselves.

Then, I would call attention to Hitler’s talk of a “real Christianity.” Hitler was referring to the Nazis’ effort to co-opt the faith, with a perversion they called “Positive Christianity.” This involved, among other things, the idea that Jesus was a member of the Nordic race who battled Jews. Moreover, it was contrasted with “Negative Christianity,” which is what the Nazis called the age-old doctrines of the Protestant and Catholic churches. Despite this, some atheists will still claim that this profession of “faith” made Hitler a Christian. But as dignitaries of the German Evangelical Church said in 1936 (as presented in the Time magazine article “Churchmen to Hitler” on August 10 of that year), “Nazi spellbinders use the terms positive and negative Christianity ‘in the manner in which the truth is withheld from a person who is ill’ — i.e., to mask the Government’s real efforts ‘to deChristianize the German people.’”

Many atheists will also wonder why Hitler went out of his way to attack atheism. And, undoubtedly, he did often rail against it with a bishop’s zeal. But this is easily understood. In their battle for primacy in Weimar Germany, the Nazis were vying for power with the communists, who were avowedly atheistic. Now, against the backdrop of a wounded nation with a listing economy and hyperinflation, Marx’s message held appeal for many. Thus, the best way to defeat these foes was to attack their Achilles Heel: their godlessness. For the post-World War I Germans were a needy people, a hungry people, but their churches were not as empty as their stomachs. Truly empty, though, is the fancy that Hitler’s lip service to Christianity had to mean he didn’t attack the faith. It is like assuming that the Hitler-Stalin Pact means he didn’t attack the Soviet Union.

Then we have the matter of Hitler’s disdain for Charles Martel. Martel was a storied Germanic (Frankish) leader of the Middle Ages, a hero, a warrior, a man many consider to be that era’s greatest general. As such, you might expect Hitler to have held him in high esteem. But Martel did something that, in the eyes of the Fuhrer, was unpardonable: he saved Christendom from extinction.

The year was 732 A.D., and Islam, born a mere century before, appeared an unstoppable force. After conquering the old Christian lands in the Middle East, North Africa, and Iberia (present-day Spain and Portugal), the Umayyad (the first dynasty of the Muslim Caliphate) was plowing through France. Then came October 10 and what historian Edward Creasy characterizes as one of the 15 decisive battles of the world, the Battle of Tours. Outnumbered and outmatched in weaponry and confronted with what was thought an impossible task at the time — for infantry to resist armored cavalry — Martel stopped the Muslim march into Europe cold. Yet Hitler took a very dim view of the triumph. Addressing this in the Brussels Journal, Paul Belien wrote:

“Had Charles Martel not been victorious,” Hitler told his inner crowd in August 1942, “then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world.” Hitler told Albert Speer that Islam is “perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament.” If the Muslims had won in Tours, the whole of Europe would have become Muslim in the 8th century and “the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of [Europe]. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.”

It is not surprising that a warrior such as Hitler would reject Christianity, for it is not a warrior creed. Its teachings run counter to the urgings of the flesh, to the desire for glory, vengeance, and power. For instance, one of its enduring images, of Jesus entering Jerusalem on a donkey, holds no appeal for those who crave the sword. This is why many in biblical times rejected Jesus as Lord, as they expected a king leading legions that could deliver them from their Roman oppressors. It is why, later on, those Romans worried that acceptance of Christianity would feminize their troops. And, it is why, 1,500 years thereafter, Hitler realized that the Holy Spirit could slay his spirit of conquest.

Of course, this is not to say that Hitler was prepared to pray toward Mecca. Nor do I say he was a conventional atheist — or that he was not. What does seem certain is that he viewed religion as a device. As he said in chapter 10 of Mein Kampf, “And yet the great masses of a nation are not philosophers. For them, faith is the only basis of morality. Until a substitute be available, only fools and criminals would think of abolishing religion.” This is a very telling statement, bespeaking of a man who lacks belief in religion but has great belief in its utility. After all, a person of faith holds that his religion reflects Truth and thus wouldn’t dream of abolishing it. But Hitler was no Karl Marx; he obviously felt the “unwashed masses” needed this opiate, at least until a substitute could be provided. Not only that, it seems he was intent on prescribing a designer drug.

In chapter five of Mein Kampf, Hitler spoke of this utility of faith, saying, “Nearly all attempts to exterminate a doctrine and its organizational expression, by force without spiritual foundation, are doomed to failure.” While he was not addressing the destruction of Christianity when making this observation, it is certain the Nazis applied this principle to that dark endeavor. For sure, unlike the communists, Hitler was too clever to suppose he could simply replace Christianity with the state; something more suitable was needed. Jehuda Bauer, professor of Holocaust Studies at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, reveals what it was in his piece “The Trauma of the Holocaust: Some Historical Perspectives”: “They [the Nazis] wanted to go back to a pagan world, beautiful, naturalistic, where natural hierarchies based on the supremacy of the strong would be established, because strong equaled good, powerful equaled civilized. The world did have a kind of God, the merciless God of nature, the brutal God of races, the oppressive God of hierarchies.”

This pagan orientation is no secret; it has been noted by many and was reflected in the Nazis’ most obvious symbols. The swastika, for example, is a pagan symbol whose consistent use dates back to Neolithic India (an area now part of Pakistan) and which is considered sacred in Jainism, Hinduism, and Buddhism. The Nazis also made wide use of what are known as “runes,” symbols in ancient Germanic alphabets used for casting spells, divination, and invoking magical spirits. Members of the SS attended classes wherein they were taught the meaning of the runes, and many Nazi organizations had their own special rune. For instance, we have all seen the two crooked S’s of the SS; they are actually “Sig-Runes.” Some other runes used by the Nazis were the Hagall, Tyr, Leben, Toten, Odal, and Eif runes.

Religion of the Blood

Of all the Nazis, none was more enamored of this paganism than Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS, second most powerful figure in Germany for much of the war and the man who ordered the deaths of millions in concentration camps. A devoted occultist, Himmler was taken with Hinduism’s rigid caste system and teaching on reincarnation, and he traveled with a copy of the Bhagavad-Gita; he launched a mission to locate the “Aryan Holy Grail,” believing it would bestow supernatural powers; and he had his own personal occultist, Karl Maria Willigut, who thought himself descended from the Norse god Thor and was called “Himmler’s Rasputin.” Himmler was also the chief architect of the new German religion.

This faith that was to supplant Christianity was a “religion of the blood,” an amalgamation of ancient pagan elements with a pungently racial flavor. It had been advocated by Nazi Commissioner for Philosophy and Education Alfred Rosenberg, an occultist who wrote the book Laying Out the Tenets of the Nazi Religion. Mark Weitzman, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, explains the Nazi conception of this religion in the documentary Nazis: The Occult Conspiracy (note: all the experts cited here on rendered their commentary in that work): “He saw blood, particularly in a religious sense, as the determining factor. In other words, a church had to be a church of the blood, rather than a church of faith or a church of belief. The blood tied together the Nordic races. So for Rosenberg, the blood, racial stock, racial identity, became the keynotes of this new ideology.”

Yet it gets stranger. The documentary also tells us that some Nazis believed they were descended from a race of Aryan god-men who fell from grace “through evil and vice”; a flood then “wiped these beings off the face of the earth,” except for a few who found their way to India and the high peaks of Tibet. They then mated with inferior races, thereby rendering their blood impure and losing their great powers.

To call these beliefs outlandish is an understatement, and to claim every Nazi subscribed to them would be overstatement. Propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, for instance, only seemed to value pagan lore as a propaganda tool, and it’s unclear to what extent Hitler embraced it. Yet certain Nazis, most notably Himmler, were so devoted that they actually launched expeditions to Tibet to find the descendants of these Aryan god-men. They endeavored to prove their theories and, through multigenerational selective breeding within an elite genetic pool, expedite evolution and recreate the Aryan superman.

While the Nazis never succeeded in replacing Germans with improved versions, they were in the process of replacing elements of Christianity. In order to inure the citizenry to the religion of the blood, elements of it corresponding to those of Christianity were introduced. Mein Kampf replaced the Bible in schools. The Nazis had their martyrs, the 16 men who died in Hitler’s failed 1923 coup attempt; the “Temple of Honor,” the shrine in which the martyrs were interred; an annual religious-like ceremony in their honor; and the Rite of the Blood Flag (a Nazi flag stained with the blood of those martyrs, blood which Hitler called the holy water of the Third Reich). SS soldiers even supplanted priests and ministers and presided over some marriages and used the Tyr-Rune as a grave marker in place of the Christian cross. Then, author on grail mythology John Matthews revealed, “One picture we have shows a full tableau of such a … Hitler shrine for the purpose of baptism of infants, an SS altar in place of a crucifix; a picture of Hitler and the babe would have been presented, if you like, into the community of Germanic warriors through this kind of tableau.”

Then, the Nazis sought to reverse what the Church accomplished more than a millennium before. As history professor Dr. George Mosse put it, “People need festivals to mark the year and they [the Nazis] tried to substitute the pagan festivals for the Christian festivals and shaped them in their own image.” And, of course, at the center of this spiritual coup was Hitler, the man who would be God.

Having said all this, some will still not be convinced of the Nazis’ anti-Christian neo-paganism. Old prejudices die hard — new ones do, too. Yet it is no secret to scholars, be they Hitler’s contemporaries or ours. In 1937, Pope Pius XI called Nazism “aggressive paganism,” and, in our age, the World Jewish Congress averred, “It is true that the National Socialist regime adopted a pagan ideology which rejected the Church.” So why the revisionist history? The obvious answer is that this is a front in the overall war against Christianity. Yet it isn’t just any front.

More than any other historical figure, Hitler is viewed as the devil incarnate, the embodiment of evil. To portray the Nazis correctly — as a foe of the Church, one the Church engaged in spiritual battle — would have had two effects. First, it would have made Christianity the white knight in the darkest of man’s chapters, thereby giving it ironclad credibility. Then, since the left is also a foe of the Church, it would have made the left and the Nazis, at least in terms of spiritual foundation, appear as allies. And with the culture war starting to become red hot, the left could ill-afford such guilt by association. The Nazis, therefore, were not to be thus portrayed; they couldn’t be. It is ironic that the very people who accuse the Church of philosophical kinship with the Nazis have themselves, in their effort to establish that link, embraced that infamous principle of Hitler’s propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels: “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”

And what of Hitler’s faith? Well, believe it or not, a little understanding of man’s nature is far more instructive than testimonials and intelligence reports. As that overrated philosopher and great influence on Hitler Friedrich Nietzsche so famously said, “If there were gods, how could I endure it to be no God! Therefore there are no gods.” When the ego consumes the heart and soul and a man is too busy looking down on others, he does not look up and see that to which he pales. This brings to mind a certain song children might have sung in the Third Reich, one containing a very sad line: “Hitler is our Lord.” I think he was his own as well.

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GREAT interview, merci!
Defending your life and culture is not racist or xenophobic.
FREE Partij voor de Vrijheid! The Koran shouldn't be banned. Mein Kampf isn't a 'Holy Book', but it shouldn't be banned either, but you should be able to criticize it and the idiots who agree with it.

As many sane people know, Geert Wilders is NO racist. He is simply against out-of-control immigration; and against immigrants who won't assimilate; and the ones who beat Gays and rape non-Muslim women for not being covered up. He is also very much against the ones who kill their own daughters and sisters for their 'family honor'.
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
don't criticize religions

just use Christian words
substitute for Islam's words

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here's an absurd thought -
your Supreme God knew
Jesus as a pedophile

and a raping terrorist
converting slaves by the sword
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Muslims are not a 'race' anyway, they are followers of a religion/ideology and its Sharia Law. Most Muslims aren't even Arabs, which by the way, is also not a 'Race'.

But their duty is, according to their Koran, to spread Sharia law over the whole Earth. It might take 100-200 years, if they succeed.

Is that the kind of world we want for our great-grand childrens' great-grand children? A Taliban Planet? I bet not. Muslims are the biggest victims of Islam. Wilders is NOT against Muslims, he is against Islamic Fundamentalism.

We all should read the Koran, but be careful, for some strict Islamists prohibit non-Muslims from having or holding one. Also, it is only 'official' in Arabic, and some Muslims say Non-Muslims can't understand it. I wonder why.

This is BIG, this is REAL BIG! SPREAD THE WORD to the world everyone! The EU Mandarins have crossed the line! If this goes to court, how much more of the public will become aware of this tyranny?
All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, then there can be no real freedom.

The Christians and Jews don’t riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized, and held to account when they are not. Muslims included.

Geert Wilders is a hero spreading the painful truth. He MUST be protected!
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here's an absurd thought -
your Supreme God says
Christians are a race

who love the Jewish race
and the peaceful Buddhist race

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absurd thought -
God of the Universe wants
Sharia Law for ALL

submit to glorious life
slavery and servitude

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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw self-defense

exposing violent crimes
shall be deemed hate speech

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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
decide to change your race

just simply change religions
your religion is your race

USpace
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All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. Without freedom of speech there can be no real freedom.
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Philosophy of Liberty Cartoon
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Help Halt Terrorism Today!
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