Et chez nous? Les nains européens, un grand continent dont les dirigeants "démocratiques" se sont vendus corps et âme à Wall Street, ont réussi l'impensable il y a 10 ans encore : par leur soutien à la guerre américaine contre la Russie, ils ont réussi à réunir Russie et Chine, les ennemis traditionnels, et les placer sur la voie d'une alliance militaire dont il y aurait beaucoup à redouter.
Alors que la Russie est en Europe, et que c'est dans une alliance européenne qu'elle aurait sa place. Mais tant que nous serons affligés par les dirigeants corrompus que nous avons, cette alliance naturelle ne saura se conclure. Et la paix mondiale sera plus que jamais en très grand péril.
Russia frees 12 Georgians, but EU mulls sanctions
By SERGEI GRITS, Associated Press Writer
RUKHI, Georgia - Russian forces turned over 12 Georgian soldiers on the border of one of the separatist provinces under its control Thursday after the short war that outraged the West and brought Moscow's military deep into Georgia.
Russia, meanwhile, faced the prospect of more international isolation after France said the European Union was considering imposing sanctions, and a Georgian official accused Russian forces of taking part in ethnic cleansing.
The tensions have spread to the Black Sea, which Russia shares unhappily with three nations that belong to NATO and two others that desperately want to, Ukraine and Georgia. Some Ukrainians fear Moscow might set its sights on their nation next.
The release of the Georgian soldiers along the Inguri River separating Abkhazia from Georgia proper was a small conciliatory gesture amid the increasing tensions in the weeks following the end of the fighting. The soldiers, who were detained Aug. 18 in the seaport of Poti, appeared unharmed and some were smiling.
Georgia's foreign minister said Russian forces and allied militias completed ethnic cleansing in the breakaway province of South Ossetia, but expulsions continued in a buffer zone being created by the Russians.
"They've expelled from all villages remnants of the Georgian population — they've destroyed their houses, they've looted their property, they've burned down their fields, forests," Eka Tkeshelashvili said at the Vienna-based Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.
The group's Russian ambassador, Anvar Azimov, denied the accusations, saying there is no evidence of ethnic cleansing in South Ossetia or Abkhazia, another separatist province.
South Ossetia claimed to have shot down an unmanned Georgian spy plane in its territory. Georgia denied the report. Russian troops remain at checkpoints well into Georgia, saying that a cease-fire agreement allows them to occupy "security zones" outside Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
The five-day war started Aug. 7 when Georgian forces launched a massive barrage on South Ossetia's capital, Tskhinvali, only to be quickly driven out by Russian troops, who then pushed deep into Georgia proper.
Russia has recognized both territories as independent republics, a move denounced in Georgia and abroad. The regions make up roughly 20 percent of Georgia's territory — and include miles of prime coastline along the Black Sea.
Eight Nordic and Baltic countries — Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Iceland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania — called on Russia to reverse its decision to recognize the independence of the provinces.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, facing isolation from the West, asked China and four ex-Soviet nations to sign a declaration of support for Russia's role in the conflict in Georgia.
"The presidents reaffirmed their commitment to the principles of respect for historic and cultural traditions of every country and efforts aimed at preserving the unity of a state and its territorial integrity," the Shanghai Cooperation Organization declaration said.
Medvedev had appealed to the alliance — which consists of Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan — for unanimous support of Russia's response to Georgia's "aggression."
"We understand the complicated history and reality of the South Ossetia and Abkhazia issue," the Chinese said. "In the meantime, in light of our consistent principle and position on issues alike, we hope to see relevant parties resolve the issue properly through dialogue and consultation."
Medvedev's appeal had raised fears in Western capitals of the emergence of a competing strategic alliance to NATO forming around Russia.
Medvedev also discussed the situation in Georgia's breakaway regions with Chinese President Hu Jintao. China has traditionally been wary of supporting separatist movements, mindful of its own problems with Tibet and Muslims in the western territory of Xinjiang.
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang was quoted by state news agency Xinhua as saying "the situation in the region ... should be resolved in dialogue."
Moscow said NATO's plans for expansion and Western support for Georgia had caused the new East-West divisions, and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin lashed out at the U.S. for using military ships to deliver humanitarian aid to Georgia.
NATO rejected Russian criticism of its decision to send navy ships to the Black Sea, saying the four vessels there — from the U.S., Spain, Germany and Poland — were on a routine exercise far from the coast of Georgia.
French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said some EU countries have asked the 27-member bloc to consider sanctions against Russia following its recognition of the breakaway territories.
"Sanctions are being considered ... and many other means as well," Kouchner said at a news conference. He did not elaborate.
Britain's foreign secretary said Russia's actions threaten to undermine stability in Europe.
"We are in a situation which marks a clear end to the relative and growing calm in and around Europe since the collapse of the Soviet Union," David Miliband said in an interview with British Broadcasting Corp. radio.
The Kremlin has rejected Western criticism, and even suggested the conflict could spread. It starkly warned another former Soviet republic, tiny Moldova, that aggression against a breakaway region there could provoke a military response.
Associated Press Writers Jim Heintz and Misha Dzhindzhikhashvili in Tbilisi, Georgia; and Catrina Stewart, Nataliya Vasilyeva, Maria Danilova and Steve Gutterman in Moscow contributed to this report.
Il n'est en tout cas pas étonnant du tout de lire de m. Chevarnadze, l'ancien ministre soviétique transformé en démocrate corrompu, installé en Géorgie par la vertu de la pax americana, donner la leçon à Moscou. En matière de démocratie et de respect des libertés des peuples, en voilà un expert! On aimerait cependant avoir plus de précisions sur le nombre de gens qu'il a fait arrêter par le KGB, quand il était au pouvoir à Moscou, histoire de mesurer la vertu de l'individu choisit par Washington comme "champion de la démocratie"
A présent, les Chinois, qui ont une énorme arme de destruction massive contre les USA (le capital, les dettes publiques américaines sont majoritairement entre les mains de Pékin..), ont clairement pris le parti de la Russie. Tout en s'exprimant à l'orientale, par des voies détournées. Mais le principe est acquis. La guerre froide d'avant la chute du mur de Berlin n'avait pas réussi à réaliser cette alliance...
Russia wins backing from China, Central Asia over Georgia
by Alexander Osipovich Thu Aug 28, 6:14 AM ET
MOSCOW (AFP) - Russia won support Thursday from China and Central Asian states in its standoff with the West over the Georgia conflict as the European Union said it was weighing sanctions against Moscow.
Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev said he hoped the "united position" of a summit of Central Asian nations would "serve as a serious signal to those who try to turn black into white".
The West has strongly condemned Russia's military offensive in Georgia this month and Medvedev's decision to recognise Georgia's breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent states.
Ratcheting up pressure on Russia, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, whose country holds the presidency of the European Union, said the 27-nation bloc was preparing sanctions on Moscow.
EU leaders meet Monday in Brussels for an emergency summit to press demands for a further Russian withdrawal from Georgia.
"Sanctions are being considered, and many other means," Kouchner said in Paris.
China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan voiced support for Russia's "active role" in resolving the conflict in Georgia, according to the draft of a joint statement released by the Kremlin.
Leaders from the countries met in the Tajik capital of Dushanbe as the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, a regional group set up in 2001 to counter NATO influence in the strategic Central Asia region.
On Wednesday, the Group of Seven industrialised powers strongly condemned Russia's recognition of the two rebel regions.
"We deplore Russia's excessive use of military force in Georgia and its continued occupation of parts of Georgia," said the statement from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States.
Former Georgian president Eduard Shevardnadze warned meanwhile that Russia's recognition of the regions would boomerang on Moscow.
"They will live to regret it," Shevardnadze said in an interview in Japan's Asahi Shimbun newspaper, adding that the move would "encourage separatist movements within ethnically-diverse Russia".
Russia claims it had to act after Georgia on August 7 launched an offensive to retake South Ossetia, an attack that South Ossetia's prosecutor general said Thursday had killed 1,692 people, according to the Interfax news agency.
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier on Thursday called on Moscow to allow an international probe into the allegations of abuses.
"(Moscow) alleges that these atrocities were meted out on the South Ossetian population. Russia or South Ossetia must document whether this is the case and to what extent," Steinmeier told the Sueddeutsche Zeitung daily.
On a visit to Ukraine on Wednesday, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband warned Russia not to start a new Cold War.
But he also conceded that isolating Russia would be counterproductive because the West relied on cooperation with Moscow to tackle global problems like climate change and nuclear non-proliferation.
"The Russian president says he is not afraid of a new Cold War. We don't want one," Miliband said, adding: "He has a big responsibility not to start one," he added.
Russia has lashed out at the West for ratcheting up tensions in the Black Sea and warned that attempts to isolate Moscow could lead to an economic backlash.
Officials said they were monitoring a growing NATO naval presence in the Black Sea, as the second of three US ships sent to deliver aid arrived in Georgia.
Moscow has accused the West of using aid shipments as a cover for rearming Georgia after the Russian military surge into Georgia this month left much of the Georgian military in tatters.
"Certainly some measures of precaution are being taken," said a spokesman for Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, Dmitry Peskov. "It's not a common practice to deliver humanitarian aid using battleships."
In a reminder of Russia's energy muscle, he also warned against trying to isolate Moscow.
"Any attempts to jeopardise this atmosphere of cooperation... would not only (have) a negative impact for Russia but will definitely harm the economic interests of those states," Peskov said.
Russia moved its own naval forces to the Abkhaz port of Sukhumi, where they got a rapturous reception from Abkhaz leader Sergei Bagapsh.
In Tbilisi, the secretary of the Georgian national security council, Alexander Lomaia, told AFP that Russian troops would leave the key Black Sea port of Poti on Thursday or Friday "as a result of international pressure".
No confirmation of such a move was forthcoming from the Russian side.
In the Georgian port of Batumi, the second of three ships sent by Washington arrived with aid for some of the 100,000 people that the UN refugee agency estimates have been displaced in the conflict.
Les massacres et destructions massives commises par les Géorgiens en Ossétie du Sud sont déjà oubliés par nos dirigeants. Rien ne s'est passé à ce niveau, ces morts sont des mauvais morts, on doit les oublier, circulez, il n'y a rien à voir, et au cachot social pour refus de pensée démocratique politiquement correcte si vous insistez!
Mais nous, les simples citoyens, si nous n'arrivons pas à faire pression sur les fous qui décident soi-disant démocratiquement pour nos pays, nous ferions bien de méditer sur les photos des ruines qu'est l'Ossétie du Sud. Car si la guerre éclate, c'est d'abord en Europe que les Américains vont la mener. L'Europe qui est le concurrent économique qu'ils veulent à tout prix réduire, contenir, et écraser si ça ne suffit pas. Oui, regardons bien ces photos. Si c'est pas demain, c'est peut-être bien le mois prochain que nos rues ressembleront à ça. Ne vous inquiétez cependant pas pour nos dirigeants. En 1940, en France comme en Belgique, ils ont cavalé, déserté, ont emporté l'or des banques nationales, et sont allés rejoindre leurs maîtres, laissant nos ancêtres crever dans la guerre qu'ils avaient déclenchée. L'Histoire repasse TOUJOURS les plats si on en a oublié le menu. Et l'amnésie étant la norme dans nos pays...
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev delivers a televised statement to the nation from Sochi. Russia formally recognised the Georgian rebel regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states in a startling new challenge to the West that drew a hail of criticism. (AFP/RIA/Vladimir Rodionov)
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Georgian troops look at a Russian helicopter flying over head as they withdraw from the village of Mosabruni, just inside South Ossetia, after Russian troops moved into the area, August 26, 2008. (Adrees Latif/Reuters)
ce qui signifie en clair que le 26 août, les Géorgiens étaient encore présents sur le territoire de la république d'Ossétie du sud. Et en armes. Et on vient finasser sur la présence des Russes dans le port de Poti, disant qu'ils n'ont pas respecté les termes du cesser-le-feu. Et les Géorgiens, alors? Ils en sont dispensés, par la vertu de sa sainteté Sarkozy et sa béatitude Kouchner?
Residents of Sukhumi celebrate the recognition of their independence by Russia. Russia formally recognised the Georgian rebel regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states in a new challenge to the West that drew sharp condemnation. (AFP)
Les Ukrainiens avaient un bon coup financier avec la location de Sébastopol aux Russes. Un fameux pactole, que Moscou était prêt à payer tant qu'il le fallait. Leur dictateur, lui aussi installé par les Américains, va réussir à faire perdre cette manne financière à son pays. Qui en a bien besoin, car l'économie de ce corrompu est mal-fichue, depuis qu'ils se sont séparés de la Russie (contre l'avis d'une majorité de la population). Avec Sukhumi, en république d'Abkhazie, les Russes ont à nouveau un port en Mer Noire, et un d'où on ne voudra pas les chasser. En plus, il est plus prêt de la Syrie et à portée de canon de la Géorgie. Que des avantages. Les sommets de l'incompétence sont le trait caractéristique des dictateurs, qu'ils se cachent derrière un voile de fausse démocratie ou qu'ils reconnaissent leur caractère dictatorial. Voyez messieurs Bush, Sarkozy, Saakashvili, et leurs homologues polonais, ukrainiens, etc : incompétents et dangereux.
South Ossetians celebrate the recognition of their independence by Russia in Tskhinvali. Russian President Dmitry Medvedev turned to Asian allies Thursday for support in the Georgia crisis as the Group of Seven condemned Moscow in a standoff that is stoking fears of a new Cold War. (AFP/Viktor Drachev)
Eduard Kokoity, the leader of South Ossetia, holds a bucket with vine during a rally in Tskhinvali August 27, 2008. Russia recognised two rebel regions of Georgia as independent states on Tuesday, driving up tension in the volatile Caucasus and putting Moscow on a collision course with the West. REUTERS/Sergei Karpukhin (GEORGIA)
A boy walks inside a destroyed building in the South Ossetian town of Tskhinvali. Russia on Wednesday lashed out against Western criticism of its actions in Georgia as President Dmitry Medvedev discussed the situation in the Caucasus with his Chinese counterpart Hu Jintao. (AFP/Viktor Drachev)
An elderly man walks his cows past destroyed buildings in the South Ossetian town of Tskhinvali. (AFP/Viktor Drachev)
Former actress of a local theatre Svetlana Tskhovrebova stands in her ruined flat in Tskhinvali. (AP Photo/Dmitry Lovetsky)
A Russian soldier occupies a check point in Mosabruni, just inside South Ossetia, after Georgian troops withdrew and Russian troops moved into the area, August 26, 2008. (Adrees Latif/Reuters)
Les Géorgiens sont déjà occupés à se préparer militairement à s'emparer des républiques d'Abkhazie et d'Ossétie du Sud. Les Russes ont abattu un drône au dessus de l'Ossétie. Les Américains ne cessent d'apporter du matériel aux Géorgiens. Ils viennent de faire entrer plusieurs navires d'autres marines de l'Otan en Mer Noire. Ils veulent à tout prix la guerre, et ils veulent nous y impliquer. Des monstres.
Rien d'étonnant dès lors que les Russes se préparent au conflit majeur, celui qu'on a su éviter pendant la première guerre froide. Mais alors, on n'avait pas encore été aussi loin dans l'affrontement direct...
Russian Topol ICBMs missiles seen during a rehearsal for the nation's annual May 9 Victory Day parade earlier this year. Russia has tested an inter-continental missile, reports said, heightening tensions with the West as France warned the European Union could slap sanctions on Moscow over the Georgia conflict. (AFP/File/Dima Korotayev)
Putin accuses U.S. of orchestrating Georgian war
From CNN's Matthew Chance
(CNN) -- Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has accused the United States of orchestrating the conflict in Georgia to benefit one of its presidential election candidates.
In an exclusive interview with CNN's Matthew Chance in the Black Sea city of Sochi Thursday, Putin said the U.S. had encouraged Georgia to attack the autonomous region of South Ossetia.
Putin told CNN his defense officials had told him it was done to benefit a presidential candidate -- Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama are competing to succeed George W. Bush -- although he presented no evidence to back it up.
When told that many diplomats in the United States and Europe blame Russia for provoking the conflict and for invading Georgia, Putin said Russia had no choice but to invade Georgia after dozens of its peacekeepers in South Ossetia were killed. He told Chance it was to avert a human calamity.
The former Russian president, still considered the most powerful man in the country, said he was disappointed the U.S. had not done more to stop Georgia's attack.
Putin recalled he was watching the situation in Georgia and South Ossetia unfold when he was at the opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympic Games on August 8.
He said he spoke spoke to U.S. President George W. Bush, also attending, who told the Russian prime minister he didn't want war -- but Putin spoke to CNN of his disappointment that the U.S. administration didn't do more to stop the Georgia early in the conflict.
Also Thursday Putin announced economic measures which he said were unrelated to the fighting with Georgia. Nineteen U.S. poultry meat companies would be banned from exporting their products to Russia because they had failed health and safety tests, and 29 other companies had been warned to improve their standards or face the same ban, Putin said.
Putin said Russia's health and agricultural ministries had randomly tested the poultry products and found them to be full of antibiotics and arsenic.
While Putin repeated that the bans were not related to the Georgian conflict, they indicate the measures some Western countries -- particularly in Europe -- fear if Russia goes on a diplomatic offensive.
Russia is trying to counterbalance mounting pressure from the West over its military action in Georgia and its recognition of the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
But Russia's hopes of winning international support for its actions in Georgia were dashed Thursday, when China and other Asian nations expressed concern about tension in the region.
The joint declaration from the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which includes China, Russia, Tajikistan, Kyrgystan, Kazakhstan, and Uzbekistan, said the countries hoped any further conflict could be resolved peacefully.
"The presidents reaffirmed their commitment to the principles of respect for historic and cultural traditions of every country and efforts aimed at preserving the unity of a state and its territorial integrity," the declaration said, The Associated Press reported.
"Placing the emphasis exclusively on the use of force has no prospects and hinders a comprehensive settlement of local conflicts," AP reported the group as saying.
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev had appealed to the SCO at a summit Thursday in Tajikistan Thursday to support its actions, saying it would serve as a "serious signal for those who are trying to justify the aggression."
On Wednesday a U.S. ship carrying aid docked in Georgia, while Britain's Foreign Secretary David Miliband traveled to the Ukraine, which is worried about Russia's intentions in the region, to offer the UK's support.
Miliband equated Moscow's offensive in Georgia with the Soviet tanks that invaded Czechoslovakia to crush the Prague Spring democratic reforms in 1968, and demanded Russia "change course," AP reported.
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et non seulement ils ont déclenché cette guerre, mais les Américains ont formé les Géorgiens à commettre les massacres qu'ils ont commis, que même les musulmans d'Ossétie ont dénoncé, choqués de les voir se prolonger jusque dans les églises. Les témoins sur place parlent. Pourquoi n'en parle-t'on pas en France, en Belgique, en Angleterre, en Allemagne, de ces massacres de civils, de ces 12 villages rasés par les Géorgiens en quelques heures seulement (bombardements de nuits, les civils n'avaient aucune chance de s'en sortir). Pourquoi cette omerta?
American instructors trained Georgian militants to cold-bloodedly kill women and children in Tskhinvali – priest
Moscow, 27 August 2008, 16:26, Interfax - Defenseless women and children became victims of Georgian militants during their attacks on Tskhinvali, rector of the Alanian representation in Moscow Hegumen Georgy (Bestayev).
Fr. Georgy was in South Ossetia from August 8 to August 20.
"As we know, hundreds of American instructors trained Georgian troops and Georgian special forces on the territory of Georgia. It's evident that Americans trained them to kill mostly women, old men and children," the priest said in his interview to Interfax-Religion.
According to him, "Georgian aggressors" in Tskhinvali were "even more cruel" than Zviad Gamsakhurdia's militants in early 1990s; they shelled the basements full of people, fired at children who ran to meet them.
"They told how Georgian militants broke into the flat, raped a daughter, who was a young beautiful girl, in front of her mother then took off the mother's head in her presence and killed the girl," the priest told.
According to him, Georgian contingent in Iraq "is specially trained to kill in cold blood." Just like soldiers of the US Army in Vietnam "cold-bloodedly murdered women and children," the priest said.
"It's hard to forgive such brutalities of Georgian aggressors. Thus, Ossetians have made their political conclusion: we will never live with Georgians in one state," the Moscow Alanian representation rector said.
en bref, ces monstres du Pentagone et leurs associés de Washington ont réussi à rallumer la flamme de la guerre mondiale. Ils soufflent sur les braises, et ils rajoutent tous les jours un peu d'essence, espérant que ça pète un bon coup. Des monstres. Il faut que nos pays quittent l'OTAN au plus vite, l'Alliance de 1949 n'a jamais eu pour but d'arranger le business des lobbies militaro-économiques américains.
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